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The cars : Rover 800 Coupé

Designed for the US market, but introduced after the Sterling pull-out, the 800 Coupé was very much a car without a target audience.

And here’s its story.


Always the bridesmaid…

The cars : Rover 800 Coupé

THE future of Austin Rover looked brighter in 1982 than it did at any time in recent history; the green shoots of recovery were clearly visible, and the Japanese were ready to give the British a vote of confidence. As a result, the second collaborative deal between Honda and BL was been signed during November the previous year. This had proved a great deal more far-reaching than the original Ballade/Acclaim licence production arrangement, and would involve the ground up co-development of a joint new executive car. As can be read in more detail in the Rover 800 development story, the births of the XX and HX cars were not without incident.

However, the XX programme did allow Harold Musgrove to begin the process of transforming Austin Rover from the 1970s lame duck to a late-1980s “beautiful swan” of a company that would be able to go toe to toe with BMW. It must have seemed like a fanciful idea to many within the company, still tied up with the final stages of productionization of the Maestro and Montego ranges, but given Honda’s engineering prowess and Austin-Rover’s design flair, Musgrove certainly believed it was achievable.

The XX was conceived very much with the American market in mind, and according to the original Concept Submission Documents, shown to management in 1982, the XX range should incorporate a Coupé version to top the range. The market for “Personal cars” in the USA was a very strong one, and there was no reason to believe that the company could not take a healthy slice of it. According to David Saddington, the importance of such a car was understood by management, and as a result, “the Coupé was always going to get all new exterior… After a sketch programme, my design was selected for further work, and we progressed to a fairly high level of feasibility.”

In his role as director of design, Roy Axe was acutely aware that the Coupé was an essential addition to the XX lineup: “We were not aware at first that Honda had a two door Coupé in their plan but we were aware that the USA was the prime market for the Honda product. The UK plan did have some longer term goals, a wish list so to speak, and on this list were re-entry into the USA and a two door model.” In order to promote the Coupé idea, Axe devised the idea of building a concept car, to follow up the MG EX-E; a Coupé which was loosely based around the XX. Axe felt that it was vital for Austin Rover to produce this (and the EX-E before it) in order for it to re-attain the company’s credibility in the eyes of the industry.

A Coupé concept would be the ideal showcase for the company’s talents, whilst at the same time, showing upper management how appealing an XX-based 2-door could be. Roy Axe planned the Coupé, knowing that it could ruffle feathers within the company: “…with Gordon Sked and Richard Hamblin it was decided to do an XX based Coupé. This I felt might stir up those who thought a Coupé was an unnecessary luxury, and also whet the appetite for the upcoming XX saloon style. The CCV was stand-alone, and as shown it had impracticalities – but had the will and finances been there to do it, it could have been done…”

David Saddington relates that the CCV had a further purpose in life: “Primarily to build on the enthusiasm of MG EX-E, the idea of another show car was raised, and it was decided to base the show programme on the XX Coupé. After all, we knew two things – the EX-E was fantastic, but wasn’t going to be made for production; secondly, the XX Coupé was going to production, and a ‘teaser’ would help us launch it.”

Stephen Harper: 'The project was different to many others before it, as Roy Axe opened both the Exterior and Interior design competition to all designers. This gave a long overdue chance for all of the designers to show their capability for both disciplines of design.' Picture: www.shado.co.uk.

Stephen Harper: ‘The project was different to many others before it, as Roy Axe opened both the Exterior and Interior design competition to all designers. This gave a long overdue chance for all of the designers to show their capability for both disciplines of design.’ Picture: www.shado.co.uk.

The same design team that produced the EX-E, knuckled down to the development of the the Coupé concept at Canley. Saddington again: “With hindsight, Gerry McGovern was pretty much seen as being the Concept guy, and he got the job of doing the show car. An old clay was used, and basically made more aggressive – closer to the original sketch.” Given that the design was scheduled to be shown at the Turin motor show in April 1986 – just three months before the launch of the 800 – Roy Axe decided that the new car should bear a family resemblance. “The design office set the parameters and I felt that the Coupé should pick up the character of the 800 in terms of basic form and character lines. The extra form at front and rear and the more shapely sides greatly enhanced the 800 based lines.” There was also a side benefit to the CCV being based on the real thing, and Saddington related it thus: “…when we launched the real thing, the public would be ready for the advanced style, and able to see how quickly we had made the fantastic concept into a production reality!”

Thus, the Rover CCV was born. The end result was arrestingly handsome and press acclaim duly followed, when it was launched at the Turin Show in April 1986. Needless to say, Roy Axe was more than satisfied with the result: “…the reaction can be read in the publications of the day, which were all very complimentary. To get that reaction in Italy was a particular pleasure.” The positive reaction that the CCV received from the press spurred on designers to continue working on the Coupé, by now codenamed “Anna”. By this time, the CCV-like design was pretty much settled upon by the designers.

Axe, however, relates that even though the CCV had been an unqualified success as a showcar, it was still as far away from production as it ever was. Although many people within the design and marketing departments knew that this would be almost essential for the success of Rover’s re-entry into the American market, it was not to be – and managers canned it. According to Roy Axe, this situation came down to finances: “For the USA a two door Coupé would have been much preferable to the four door but plans and funds available did not support this… There were better places to use the limited use available – or so it was judged.”

Still, following much lobbying from Axe, management’s opposition to the idea of a Coupé based around the XX concept began to soften: “…as it was, it was some time before the Coupé work started again. Of course I was in fact the instigator of this project at all times and the major ’Äòpusher’Äô with support from the USA team. Strong direction was essential at this time. We became involved with Bertone (a product planning idea) and there was a rival Coupé sketched by them, but the in house team won out. Bertone was then contracted to make a production version of the CCV under our supervision but the project failed to make the financial parameters.”

Roy Axe is still very proud of the CCV, and it is not surprising when one considers the impact it made at the Turin Motor show in April 1986.

Roy Axe is still very proud of the CCV, and it is not surprising when one considers the impact it made at the Turin Motor show in April 1986.

Given that, the cost argument, which had reared its head was now a real factor. In order to keep costs to a minimum, Roy Axe decided to employ outside contractors: “I had been lobbied by IAD for some time to give them a project to develop and this seemed to me to be the opportunity.” Richard Woolley relates, “The ‘productionisation’ of project Anna as it was known, was outsourced to IAD in Worthing. Designer Chris Greville-Smith oversaw the transition of the car from fibre glass concept to metal.” Some of the more futuristic elements of the CCV design were toned down in order to ease the transition to production. Woolley again: “The car that was developed at IAD bore a close resemblance to CCV, except for more feasible headlights (semi covered units with lift-up flaps) and glasshouse construction… the IAD car had a similar look to the CCV through the use of black-out on all the metal pillars”

Project Anna made it to the full-size mock-up stage, but Roy Axe recalled that the experience with IAD had not been an unbridled success: “I managed to get the budget, and engineering were otherwise occupied, to further this work with IAD. This proved to be a disaster and IAD let us down and at considerable expense. So, this was a second failure to do this with outside help.” The problem of funding was down to the unique nature of the Coupé bodyshell; it required a unique body and structure, and as a result, the high levels of investment required to get it into production were not released by management. Rover’s re-entry into the US market was compromised by this decision, for sure, but as subsequent history relates, the company’s lack of a Coupé was small beer compared with Sterling’s poor reliability record.

However, Roy Axe was still very keen to see the Coupé enter production, and worked on creating a workable solution. Richard Woolley recalls that a lower cost Coupé could be created: “…we began an investigation on a car that had a much higher level of carry-over from the saloon.” Effectively, sharing much of the 800′s underpinnings and some external panels, a pleasing car could still be created. Sadly, Roy Axe received no material support from within the business for his Coupé, and its development was belaboured as a result: “I had another go, this time in the USA. I had worked with American Sun Roof when I was with Chrysler and knew them as a capable group.”

Alongside a productionised version of the 800 Coupé, a convertible version was produced. The car was unashamedly pitched at the American market (as its side running lights indicate), but when ARCONA ran into trouble selling Sterlings over there, the idea was quietly dropped. The pretty car was prepared by The American Sunroof Company, overseen by Adrian Griffiths of Rover. It makes for an interesting comaparison with 1986's Pininfarina-designed Cadillac Allante.

Alongside a productionised version of the 800 Coupé, a convertible version was produced. The car was unashamedly pitched at the American market (as its side running lights indicate), but when ARCONA ran into trouble selling Sterlings over there, the idea was quietly dropped. The pretty car was prepared by The American Sunroof Company, overseen by Adrian Griffiths of Rover. It makes for an interesting comaparison with 1986′s Pininfarina-designed Cadillac Allante.

Designer Adrian Griffiths went out to the USA in order to plan the saloon-to-Coupé transition, and as Woolley puts it, “…to work out what could be done by the expedient method of carving up an 800 saloon to get a Coupé.” It was a good plan, but given the limited resources available, and a less than willing upper management, the project progressed slowly. David Saddington recalls that Griffiths’ design was, “very attractive”. It was almost inevitable that this venture would fail, too: “Engineering still had no resource to apply to a Coupé, so we gave ASC a Rover 800 and sketches and tried to make the thing work. In the end there were just too many compromises based on the carryover required to make the vehicle financially viable and after a very valiant effort, defeat had to be admitted.”

Interestingly, Saddington recalls something else about Adrian Griffiths’ scheme: “…Oh and by the way it had a grille on it! The first view of what became known as the Roverisation programme.”

The look of the car remained remarkably faithful to the CCV design, even though much of it’s understructure had been changed, whilst further commonality with the 800 was being insisted upon. As the work progressed, not only was a Coupé built, but also an extremely pretty convertible version (pictured above). Although the looks of the car were good, the finished article then performed badly in customer clinics in the USA. By this point in time, the fortunes of Sterling were on the wane in the USA, and the car was seen as being paramount in turning the brand around. Now that it had been established that the Coupé could be built at a reasonable cost, the decision was made to back it and to give it a re-style in lieu of the launch of the R17, scheduled for 1991.

It was at this time, that the project returned to Canley, becoming a fully in-house effort again.

Rover Coupé enters the 1990s: Richard Woolley revised the styling and gave the car a more organic form. (Picture: CAR magazine)

Rover Coupé enters the 1990s: Richard Woolley revised the styling and gave the car a more organic form. (Picture: CAR magazine)

Following his work on the R8 and Rover 600, Richard Woolley was drafted in to update the style of the Coupé with a view to increasing its desirability to prospective customers. Woolley describes the process: “Adrian returned from the USA, and I was enlisted to do some sketch work on how the car could be improved.” Tieing the Coupé in with the upcoming R17 meant that a curvier solution could be found, thus distancing it from the CCV – by this time, some four years old. The design process continued around the principle of sharing as much with the saloon as possible, whilst giving it a distinctive style. Woolley again: “The car gained a simpler body section, a strong D-pillar (up to then it still had the all black-out treatment).”

From here, it was David Saddington that was given the task of translating Woolley’s sketches into production reality. He recalled: “…Full circle for me. I got the job of putting the R17 Coupé into production. It was in itself a difficult one, but good to see the grille and bonnet from the Coupé going ‘across the range’.”

Certainly with Richard Woolley and David Saddington being charged with the styling, it headed in a different direction: the CCV as handsome as it was, had aged during the intervening years. Curves were in – straight lines were out. The all-black glass-house looked good in 1986, but very quickly it became passˆ©. Woolley’s solution was simpler to produce, and in hindsight, probably more elegant, even if it would later be accused by some of not being bold enough. That conservatism stemmed from the desire to produce a car that the Americans wanted to buy…

Much of the existing car’s architecture needed to be replaced, and it was Wyn Thomas (later praised for his work on the Rover 75 and MINI) who looked after the design of those items, such as the interior door casings, that were unique to the Coupé. It obviously worked, because one aspect of the Coupé (and the 800 that sired it) that was universally praised, was its interior ambience.

Struggling with rapidly falling sales, Sterling’s press office released a concept sketch of the Coupé in early 1990 (some two years before it launch!) – the idea being to give the brand some much needed glamour… No doubt the Americans were more than impressed with Woolley’s sketch, even though they ran the risk of revealing aspects of the upcoming R17 saloon and fastback. Certainly, it was a less-than-gentle hint that the American dealers wanted a Coupé to sell – and they wanted it ASAP!

In the end, the Americans would never see the Coupé. Falling sales and an irreversibly bad name with customers and the press, meant that Rover were forced to pull out of the US market in 1991. That left Rover with a very big dilemma: the Coupé was created for Americans – and now the company had lost its biggest market for the car. The other problem was that big Coupés simply did not sell in Europe (unless they wore a Jaguar or Mercedes-Benz) badge, and Rover were now looking at potentially tiny sales volumes. Given the cost of developing the Coupé, it was unlikely that Rover would ever see a return on it – and there were sections within the company who thought that it might be a better idea to abandon the car completely.

Production reality: The 800 Coupé was an expensive deal when it was launched, but there was no doubting that from some angles it looked very good... and that interior was a triumph of design

Production reality: The 800 Coupé was an expensive deal when it was launched, but there was no doubting that from some angles it looked very good… and that interior was a triumph of design

Thankfully, Rover bit the bullet and in 1992, went ahead with the launch. Because it was conceived to act as the company’s flagship, it was introduced with every conceivable option as standard, and a range-topping price befitting of its status within the range. Needless to say, the press did not feel that the 800-based Coupé could justify its £30,775 asking price and AUTOCAR magazine gave the car a pasting in their first road test. Who can blame them? The rivals listed in their road test included the Mercedes-Benz 300CE, and Jaguar XJS – cars which had blue chip credibility and ability to match. Even if the Rover’s chassis had played a blinder, it might have struggled to match them, but as it possessed very little talent, the results were sadly predictable… It never sold.

So, without doubt, it was a car of mixed ability. In summing up the Coupé, AUTOCAR had this to say: “Its cabin is a wonderful place to sit, but it is not enough for any car, let alone one priced at more than £30,000, to expect to survive almost exclusively on its static qualities. There are too many frighteningly capable opponents out there ready and able to give you a wealth more real ability for a lot less wealth.” So, they were not enamoured with its price or chassis, but as a refined tourer, it did fit the bill – and they admitted that on the motorway, “…the 800 treats you to the kind of unruffled progress you’d expect”. The Honda-sourced V6 also received a thumbs-up: “…its manners are faultless, sounding as relaxed and sophisticated as the Mercedes-Benz at its 6400rpm red line despite the German’s inherantly smoother straight six configuration. No other rival, not even the Legend, can offer such civility from its engine.”

Interior truly was a credit to Wyn Thomas and the rest of the Rover design team - it looked classy, and the seats were wonderfully supportive. AUTOCAR agreed: "Cabin is a triumph. Fine leather and wood blend perfectly to create an ambience that puts the Rover right up with Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar for pure class. The Rover earns top marks for rear seat space, too, providing more room than any comparable Coupé." Nor only that, but the rear accommodation looked good - how many cars can you say that about?

Interior truly was a credit to Wyn Thomas and the rest of the Rover design team – it looked classy, and the seats were wonderfully supportive. AUTOCAR agreed: “Cabin is a triumph. Fine leather and wood blend perfectly to create an ambience that puts the Rover right up with Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar for pure class. The Rover earns top marks for rear seat space, too, providing more room than any comparable Coupé.” Nor only that, but the rear accommodation looked good – how many cars can you say that about?

So, dynamically AUTOCAR may have panned the Coupé for its lack of sporting handling, but the magazine did herald it as something of a triumph aesthetically. This fit perfectly with the company’s stated aims for the car (even if it cannot have been pleasant reading that the company’s new flagship was seen as a “two star” car overall). As far as Rover was concerned, however, the emphasis was on luxury and not performance: “It was a ‘luxury Coupé’ not a ‘sports Coupé’ and the emphasis was very much on the ambience of prestige and elegance, not on dynamic driving characteristics”, is how one source described its aims…

Undeterred, Rover continued a limited development programme on their big Coupé (as part of the wider 800 range development programme), and following a more realistic pricing strategy (as well as healthy dealer discounts!), it did come good in later years. Thanks to a product maximisation strategy, the very able 2-litre turbo engine was added to the Coupé range, and in Vitesse Sport tune, it delivered a not inconsiderable 200PS. This engine, allied to the Vitesse Sport chassis literally transformed the Coupé; in Vitesse sport form, this was a very pleasing car indeed – in terms of dynamics as well as interior ambience. However, by the mid-1990s, the Rover 800 range – like all non-premium large cars – was swamped by the German opposition. Just about all of Rover’s advertising budget for the 800 model was diverted to the newer 600 range; the company’s important addition to the “junior executive” sector of the market.

Rover knew that their Coupé possessed enough charm to win over potential buyers, it was just that they found it difficult getting potential customers to actually come and look. Back in 1992, Rover organized a regional “ride and drive” exercise, which according to one company source, “…was an attempt to indoctrinate the dealers as much as customers that this was a special car that warranted its premium price position, and one that would be sold to the high standards of customer sales and service Rover was now targeting.” Customers were asked to rate the Rover in relation to the opposition, and whether they would actually buy one. The results were very positive, and one of the Rover executives present at the exercise stated that guests had no reservations about rating the Rover highly. Very highly in fact! In the words of Newslink, the in-house dealer magazine the Rover would make an ideal second car…

“How do you react when someone, returning from a test drive in Rover’s ultimate flagship model, the £30,000+ Rover 800 Coupé, proceeds to put at the bottom of his critique form “It would make an excellent second car”? You might tend to feel a little indignant, but wait ; look at the top of the form to see what kind of car this gentleman normally drives. A Bentley Turbo R, which currently retails at some £116,000. He obviously has a slightly different perspective to most of us!” The praise was not limited to the owners of British built cars: “In case anyone should think that perhaps Rolls Royce and Bentley drivers are more pro-British than most, let’s have a look at some other forms. How about a couple of Mercedes 500 SEC (Coupé) owners? One noted:”The first appealing British car for some time.” The other said:”..hard to fault, very impressed.” Another German car enthusiast, who listed a BMW M5 and a Porsche Carrera on his fleet was moved to say of the 800 Coupé: “A joy to drive”.

The 800 Coupé was not the sales flop that most people assume it was: “…in Italy it was introduced in 2-litre Turbo form only, to take advantage of the 2-litre tax class. In 1993 Italy sold about 600 units, about 70% of all Coupé sales (including the UK)! Indeed the success of the car in Italy meant that Rover met or even exceeded the volume targets it had set for it!”

It does make one wonder, how the Americans would have taken to it. The 800 Coupé certainly had all the ingredients to succeed over there. The sad fact is that the Sterling adventure was killed stone dead in a few short years; and it was as a result of poor quality. There was nothing wrong with the product, as the success of the Honda Legend clearly demonstrates… No, the Coupé is a sad relic of Austin Rover’s ambition to conquer America with a half-baked product: poor quality killed Sterling, and it was a lesson that Rover took too long in learning.

Roy Axe felt that the end result was the product of too many missed opportunities: “The final effort was a two door Rover 800 rather than a Coupé. This vehicle was introduced after I left the company and after the USA operation was closed. In my opinion, as soon as the closure of the USA operation was known the project should have been scrapped. The 800 at this point was getting very old. It was designed for a six-year life and was well past its sell by date! A second generation Honda was well in production and a third very close to introduction, but the 800 soldiered on with only a relatively minor facelift. A Coupé in the wrong market on an old product is not sensible.”

Had the quality been good at the outset, Sterling sales might have been better during the early years, generating thumping profits. As a result, an emboldened Rover management might have been able to sanction the development of the CCV-like Coupé that Roy Axe so desperately wanted. It remains a tantalising prospect, even today.


Gallery:

Coupe or saloon? Early thoughts on the Rover 800 Coupe centred on producing a two-door saloon, which would have appealed to the US market – the car's main target area.

Coupe or saloon? Early thoughts on the Rover 800 Coupe centred on producing a two-door saloon, which would have appealed to the US market – the car’s main target area.

Rover 800 Coupe

Rear view of the same car shows just how much panel work it shared with the standard six-light saloon.

Rover 800 Coupe

Design proposal taking the CCV as a basis and turning it into a fully-fledged four-seat convertible.

Rover 800 Coupe

Rear view of the convertible clearly shows its CCV heritage.

Rover 800 Coupe

The short wheelbase two-seat convertible (pictured in story above hood down) was proposed with Mercedes-Benz SL style optional hardtop. Very pretty indeed.

Rover 800 Coupe

As the project continued, and the 800 moved towards the R17 rejuventation, thoughts were give to updating the Coupe accordingly. This grille-less example with CCV style roof looked slightly gawky, but hints at a more stylish R17 sans grille.

Rover 800 Coupe

Rear view is clean, and hints at an aborted R17 saloon proposal. Note the rear wiper.

Rover 800 Coupe

The above proposal went head-to-head with the grile-less car. Clearly it won out, and was advanced to production. This was styles with the US market in mind. Shame the Americans never saw it…

Rover 800 Coupe

Interesting that these cars, penned in 1989-’90 were ‘plated up as the XX COUPE.

Rover 800 Coupe

Original rear set treatment was dropped, sadly.

Rover 800 Coupe

Room for your iPhone in there…

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11 Comments on "The cars : Rover 800 Coupé"

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  1. Will M says:

    Short wheelbase has hints of Chrysler TC/LeBaron or Cadillac about it, the grille-less concept with the long rear bootlid has hints of the Accord coupe about it.

    With the US size plates and side markers it really does look like it would be suited cruising along sunset boulevard.
    You could almost imagine some of the cast of The Sopranos driving it.

  2. janet patrick says:

    i Drive an 825 sterling coupe,and it is a beautiful car to drive and look at,but wow what a goergeous rear seating arrangement in the car that wasn’t used.The yanks don’t know what they missed.I also have a Rover 216 cabriolet, if only the 800 convertible was produced.Still i could always cut the roof off an old 800 maybe?????.

  3. KC says:

    Those dark coloured convertibles in the middle of the photos are a dead-ringer for a Cadillac Allante. Which came first?

  4. Jemma says:

    1987 called, they want their Senator back…

    I like the black convertible, that would have sold like hot cakes – shove a chrysler Turbo IV engine in it and it would have gone as well as it looked.

    But the third car, seriously, looks like someone changed the grille and taillights on a Senator B and phoned it in from the pub. I do prefer the larger smoother taillight design though on the car with the rear wiper, just looks more professional somehow.

    As to the reason why they nixed the 2+2 seating design in it, its due to go to America, the land of supersized buttocks. Not to mention the fact that it means you couldnt have had 3 people in the rear seat (unless you wanted to propel a 5 year old through the windscreen the first stop sign you come to). Its a good idea though, and I think there are some companies that are using the retractable rear armrest for controls and storage these days.

  5. ben says:

    nice cars

  6. Will M says:

    Was a good idea for US sales, over there recently and they had a surprising amount of saloon based coupes pounding the freeways. Domestic premium marques, Japanese makes, even a coupe variant of their Ford Focus!

    Fiat should take note, when they return with Alfa…

  7. Alastair says:

    I remember reading at the time that within Rover, Project XX was known as Project Double-Cross!

  8. Landyboy says:

    Looking at the styling proposals now, I prefer the 2-door XX to the production R17 Coupe. It always seemed that there were significant budget constraints on what could be done with the R17.

  9. Duncan Duncan Macrae says:

    There are some bloody lovely looking prototypes in this story , such a shame they never made an 800 Cabriolet!

  10. Christopher says:

    Does anyone know how many Rover Vitesse coupes where ever made?

  11. Anthony says:

    The 4 seat 800 convertible would have been an interesting car had it took off and come to fruition, and would have been nice and different to the 800 range. I would have also equipped it with a diesel and give it electronic airconditioning climate controlled heating and ventilation/powersteering and other niceties as standard too.

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